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		<title>By: Alfonso</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8964</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfonso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why aren&#039;t East Asians required to learn English before they are allowed to set up shop? I go to a store, placed my food on the counter, tell the store owner, told the Chinese or Korean that I will be right back as I pick up more food to place on the counter and he begins glaring and demanding what I want. For a split second I though he would either jump over the corner wielding a weapon or else shoot me.

I&#039;ve given the incident much thought since it happened a few days ago and have concluded he was angered because I had on a previous day asked his wife if they sold orange juice. She was totally confused and that might have ticked him off. Or else &quot;orange juice&quot; means or sounds like something lewed in Chinese or Korean? Idon&#039;t know. At my own risk I simply walked out imagining that this fellow might come charging out after me.

My advice is that they learn English before someone winds up getting hurt. Not me. I&#039;m not going there again. It&#039;s that little corner store on third street accross the street from the Broad Street Market on Sixth street.  Beware! YIKES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why aren&#8217;t East Asians required to learn English before they are allowed to set up shop? I go to a store, placed my food on the counter, tell the store owner, told the Chinese or Korean that I will be right back as I pick up more food to place on the counter and he begins glaring and demanding what I want. For a split second I though he would either jump over the corner wielding a weapon or else shoot me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve given the incident much thought since it happened a few days ago and have concluded he was angered because I had on a previous day asked his wife if they sold orange juice. She was totally confused and that might have ticked him off. Or else &#8220;orange juice&#8221; means or sounds like something lewed in Chinese or Korean? Idon&#8217;t know. At my own risk I simply walked out imagining that this fellow might come charging out after me.</p>
<p>My advice is that they learn English before someone winds up getting hurt. Not me. I&#8217;m not going there again. It&#8217;s that little corner store on third street accross the street from the Broad Street Market on Sixth street.  Beware! YIKES!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Farner</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8491</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Farner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can toss me into the mix if you&#039;d like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can toss me into the mix if you&#8217;d like.</p>
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		<title>By: floor9</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8490</link>
		<dc:creator>floor9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s me -- I&#039;m the blogHarrisburg admin.  One and the same.  I&#039;ve been at floor9 forever; it&#039;s where my commentary resides.

I&#039;ve been wrestling with the idea of how to give exposure to the local bloggers on blogHarrisburg, because I think that by definition any site that&#039;s &quot;about&quot; Harrisburg must also include the local blogging community, even if they themselves don&#039;t necessarily write about the region.  How the implement this without breaking up the &quot;about Harrisburg&quot; news is what I&#039;m working on now, and I think I&#039;ve got it straightened out.  I&#039;m getting ready to add another batch of blogs, and I&#039;ll be emailing you shortly (incidentally, the blogHarrisburg gmail address is unbelievably easy to figure out).

And you&#039;er spot-on about the change in culture.  That needs to happen.  It&#039;s a whole new game now; the publishers who haven&#039;t embraced online publication are the ones in big trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s me &#8212; I&#8217;m the blogHarrisburg admin.  One and the same.  I&#8217;ve been at floor9 forever; it&#8217;s where my commentary resides.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wrestling with the idea of how to give exposure to the local bloggers on blogHarrisburg, because I think that by definition any site that&#8217;s &#8220;about&#8221; Harrisburg must also include the local blogging community, even if they themselves don&#8217;t necessarily write about the region.  How the implement this without breaking up the &#8220;about Harrisburg&#8221; news is what I&#8217;m working on now, and I think I&#8217;ve got it straightened out.  I&#8217;m getting ready to add another batch of blogs, and I&#8217;ll be emailing you shortly (incidentally, the blogHarrisburg gmail address is unbelievably easy to figure out).</p>
<p>And you&#8217;er spot-on about the change in culture.  That needs to happen.  It&#8217;s a whole new game now; the publishers who haven&#8217;t embraced online publication are the ones in big trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Victor</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8489</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m a complete idiot. I mean really, off the charts.

I came here through blogHarrisburg via my Google Reader, and for some awful reason thought the blogHarrisburg creator wrote this entry. 

How ironic that I make a mistake that dumb while trying to claim that I understand blogging. Yikes. It&#039;s been a long day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m a complete idiot. I mean really, off the charts.</p>
<p>I came here through blogHarrisburg via my Google Reader, and for some awful reason thought the blogHarrisburg creator wrote this entry. </p>
<p>How ironic that I make a mistake that dumb while trying to claim that I understand blogging. Yikes. It&#8217;s been a long day.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Victor</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8488</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s like you knew I was just about to e-mail you. Jersey Mike encouraged me to send you a link to my blog for possible inclusion here. (I haven&#039;t done it before because it&#039;s mostly about journalism, not Harrisburg, and even though it&#039;s written in Harrisburg I wasn&#039;t sure it would interest the blogHarrisburg readers. I&#039;ll let you make that call if you feel differently.)

Anyway, take a look through my blog and you&#039;ll see I&#039;m really trying to figure out this stuff that you and floor9 raised. I&#039;m definitely not the only one at the PN, either, but damn are there a lot of hurdles. 

A lot of it has to do with changing newsroom culture. For example, any journalist can sign into Movable Type, but understanding how blogging is different than the I-talk-you-listen format most journalists are used to is a whole different issue. 

I could ramble for a while, but I&#039;ll stop. Just know that even though I&#039;m sure it doesn&#039;t look like it, there are people working on it. 

The most important line in that Alterman piece, by the way:

“Traditional media just need to realize that the online world isn’t the enemy. In fact, it’s the thing that will save them, if they fully embrace it.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s like you knew I was just about to e-mail you. Jersey Mike encouraged me to send you a link to my blog for possible inclusion here. (I haven&#8217;t done it before because it&#8217;s mostly about journalism, not Harrisburg, and even though it&#8217;s written in Harrisburg I wasn&#8217;t sure it would interest the blogHarrisburg readers. I&#8217;ll let you make that call if you feel differently.)</p>
<p>Anyway, take a look through my blog and you&#8217;ll see I&#8217;m really trying to figure out this stuff that you and floor9 raised. I&#8217;m definitely not the only one at the PN, either, but damn are there a lot of hurdles. </p>
<p>A lot of it has to do with changing newsroom culture. For example, any journalist can sign into Movable Type, but understanding how blogging is different than the I-talk-you-listen format most journalists are used to is a whole different issue. </p>
<p>I could ramble for a while, but I&#8217;ll stop. Just know that even though I&#8217;m sure it doesn&#8217;t look like it, there are people working on it. </p>
<p>The most important line in that Alterman piece, by the way:</p>
<p>“Traditional media just need to realize that the online world isn’t the enemy. In fact, it’s the thing that will save them, if they fully embrace it.”</p>
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		<title>By: floor9</title>
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		<dc:creator>floor9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of using the site to dish out up-to-the-minute news and ongoing updates, PennLive simply reheats and rehashes stories which have already been published in today&#039;s edition of the Patriot.  Talk about technology for technology&#039;s sake!

I&#039;d like to see them use their online real estate to supplement the Patriot&#039;s standard faire with the things that are simply too &quot;minor&quot; to fit into print.  I&#039;d also like to see them make timely, real updates throughout the day.  They should use the Internet to overcome the limitations of print media -- limited space, hard deadlines, irrelevant advertising, no accurate metrics, printing &amp; delivery expense -- instead of just as an online placeholder.  And it&#039;s not just the Patriot that&#039;s guilty of failing to do this.  Apparently, LOTS of newspapers are failing to grasp that we live in a 24-hour world.

I&#039;m not questioning the professionalism and news-gathering abilities of the Patriot&#039;s journalists.  Rather, I&#039;m stating that I&#039;d love to see their talents put on display on a continual basis.  Even though we&#039;re a secondary market, there *are* newsworthy events happening at all hours -- to say nothing of the events that are simply too niche to receive precious print space.  PennLive has been taking a stab at things like liveblogging lately, and that&#039;s a good start.  But it&#039;s a few years too late.  While the veracity or trustworthiness of blogs can be discussed in volumes, the frank reality is that people are flocking to non-traditional content in droves.  Until newspapers adopt, they&#039;ll continue hemorrhaging subscribers and wondering why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of using the site to dish out up-to-the-minute news and ongoing updates, PennLive simply reheats and rehashes stories which have already been published in today&#8217;s edition of the Patriot.  Talk about technology for technology&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see them use their online real estate to supplement the Patriot&#8217;s standard faire with the things that are simply too &#8220;minor&#8221; to fit into print.  I&#8217;d also like to see them make timely, real updates throughout the day.  They should use the Internet to overcome the limitations of print media &#8212; limited space, hard deadlines, irrelevant advertising, no accurate metrics, printing &#038; delivery expense &#8212; instead of just as an online placeholder.  And it&#8217;s not just the Patriot that&#8217;s guilty of failing to do this.  Apparently, LOTS of newspapers are failing to grasp that we live in a 24-hour world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not questioning the professionalism and news-gathering abilities of the Patriot&#8217;s journalists.  Rather, I&#8217;m stating that I&#8217;d love to see their talents put on display on a continual basis.  Even though we&#8217;re a secondary market, there *are* newsworthy events happening at all hours &#8212; to say nothing of the events that are simply too niche to receive precious print space.  PennLive has been taking a stab at things like liveblogging lately, and that&#8217;s a good start.  But it&#8217;s a few years too late.  While the veracity or trustworthiness of blogs can be discussed in volumes, the frank reality is that people are flocking to non-traditional content in droves.  Until newspapers adopt, they&#8217;ll continue hemorrhaging subscribers and wondering why.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Hauck</title>
		<link>http://floor9.com/central-pa/harrisburg-blogs-3/comment-page-1#comment-8485</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Hauck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not quite seeing how newspapers aren&#039;t &quot;competing with competitors.&quot; What should they be doing? 

Print and the Internet are totally different animals, and the mass amateurism of bloggers will never fully replace professionally-printed material. As consumers, we will continually look for media makers willing to invest in someone else&#039;s work. It&#039;s that endorsement that tells us that the material is professional enough--and that at least another person besides the writer believes it is worthwhile.

As far as what blogHarrisburg is doing, I love and subscribe to the feed. However, I question the reasoning behind a Harrisburg-based wiki and forum. Frankly, the wiki feels like using the technology for technology&#039;s sake (what is its purpose?), and I fear the forum will befall the same fate as the one on Friends of Midtown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not quite seeing how newspapers aren&#8217;t &#8220;competing with competitors.&#8221; What should they be doing? </p>
<p>Print and the Internet are totally different animals, and the mass amateurism of bloggers will never fully replace professionally-printed material. As consumers, we will continually look for media makers willing to invest in someone else&#8217;s work. It&#8217;s that endorsement that tells us that the material is professional enough&#8211;and that at least another person besides the writer believes it is worthwhile.</p>
<p>As far as what blogHarrisburg is doing, I love and subscribe to the feed. However, I question the reasoning behind a Harrisburg-based wiki and forum. Frankly, the wiki feels like using the technology for technology&#8217;s sake (what is its purpose?), and I fear the forum will befall the same fate as the one on Friends of Midtown.</p>
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